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MrsP
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« on: August 15, 2007, 08:01:49 AM »

I read Don Earl's post on Ichmo's regarding getting out there and doing something, and I felt embarassed at the little I have done. 
I have sent CNN a news tip: http://www.cnn.com/exchange/ireports/topics/forms/breaking.news.html, informing them of Don's efforts and giving his news wire link. http://newsroom.eworldwire.com/view_release.php?id=17474
I think we can all submit his link as a news tip and maybe they will cover the story.  We need to push the media HARD! 
You can also send the link to AP: info(at)ap(dot)org. Many organization will pick up the story if AP has it.
We need to contact whatever media sources we can to get this story publicized. I have faxed the article to local radio and TV stations.

And Don, if you could please let me know what exactly I can do to help, please let me know.

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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2007, 10:08:58 AM »

Good idea, MrsP.  After E. Hamilton mentioned it, I posted a paragraph from Don's site on the itchmo blog under today's headline about Menu Foods losing its biggest customer.

To read the document, go to Don Earl's site www petfoodrecallfacts dot com under the "Legal Action" section - posted August 8.

I'll email CNN and others.  Maybe Lou Dobbs or Anderson Cooper will pick it up.  I think Cooper's KEEPING THEM HONEST segment would be appropriate for this.
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MrsP
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2007, 10:28:00 AM »

Thanks, purringfur!

I just left a message for Elizabeth Weise (USA Today) with Don's link.  She's really done a good job of covering the recall.  I couldn't get through to Julie Schmit.  But, I did find you can send tips to watchdog(at)usatoday(dot)com.  They say, "If you have a tip about government corruption, business ripoffs, safety violations or other serious problems, USA TODAY wants to hear from you." I think Don's press release fits in there beautifully.
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E. Hamilton
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2007, 07:05:38 AM »

Offy, that is a fabulous idea!! People would love to help if only they knew about it. That is our job, get the news to every person who might be able to help. There are critics of the FDA who are just as angry about the lies and bad science and bias and cover up and we MUST get the news about the action taken by Don Earl to them so they can help!

People are waking up to the recall nightmare we have all been living for all these months and they can and will help us if we can get the information to them.

Offy, thank you!
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E. Hamilton
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2007, 10:29:51 AM »

Do we have email addresses that could be posted here for scientists and others, maybe we could post then here?
Make it easy for us to get the news out, get those amicus briefs filed?
Offy, you are wonderful!!
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 06:20:32 PM »

Do we have email addresses that could be posted here for scientists and others, maybe we could post then here?
Make it easy for us to get the news out, get those amicus briefs filed?
Offy, you are wonderful!!

I'll second the "Offy, you are wonderful," and I'd like to add that same comment to each person on this topic thread!

As for making a difference, I think perhaps at least in a small way we have.  For instance, because our dog has been itching and shedding copious clumps of hair for months, our vet today said it is possible he has a food allergy.  That brought up what to feed, and I'm finding that pet food customer service reps are volunteering information that I called to ask even before I have a chance to ask it!  Eagle Pack is one that just got my "two thumbs up" or "Five Star" rating in this regard in response to my contact with them this afternoon.  The CSR told me they manufacture their own kibble.  They test their ingredients when they come in.  They test the finished kibble before it goes out.  Only two of their vitamins originate in China and they are busy searching for another source, turning to Eurrope as a possibility. 
http://www.eaglepack.com/

I wonder if the better companies in the PFI are not reading this forum and training their CSRs to be completely upfront and give complete information to their customers and potential customers...and if perhaps it is because so many of us participating in the Itchmo Forum have not been calling w/ questions these better companies know the consumer is becoming educated and very careful. 

So if we have gotten this across to at least a segment of the PFI, we just might do the same w/ our elected men and women in Washington.  I'm not so naive as to think big business doesn't have a much larger impact than we do as individuals or small groups, but we're being heard.  Also, money talks.  If enough people turn away from the products produced by companies that don't do their very best to put safety first that, too, will make a difference.  So we also need to be as much influence as we can on each and every friend, relative, neighbor to join in.

We need to know country of origin for all of our food.  We have the right to ask more of the FDA when it comes to food safety.  Our pets deserve the same considerations we want for ourselves.  Keep the links and the ideas flowing and thanks to every one of you who has already made a difference.
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E. Hamilton
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2007, 08:32:57 AM »

Don , Please contact me by PM , I have some ideas.

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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2007, 02:18:53 AM »

Hi Offy,

As far as William Hubbard is concerned and the organization that he is involved
with, namely, The Coalition for a Stronger FDA, I doubt if there could ever be
support from this direction.

I've had many conversations with Ladd Wiley, the director of the Coalition,
and they simply have one issue, namely, to petition Congress for increased
appropriations for the FDA. Their Coalition is, at best, a delicate one since
it includes representatives from both sides of the issues. Both manufacturing
and consumer groups are represented.

In the past, this group has divided their lobbying efforts into three categories.

1.Food
2.Pharmaceuticals
3.Medical devices.

As a direct result of our conversations, the Coalition has agreed to add
pet food as a fourth and separate category. The Pet Food Institute
was quick to jump on the bandwagon to get involved from the manufacturer's
standpoint. We have been asked to get involved from the consumer's
standpoint.

It is important to remember that the pet food consumer never had
any voice at all prior to this time. While the Coalition is a "one trick
pony" to the extent that they ONLY focus on appropriations, we have
determined that in order to get the increased inspections that we
all want, it is important to at least have a voice in this Coalition
.

NO other issues are addressed by the Coalition.

Mike
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2007, 02:31:21 AM »

Hi All,

I would appreciate it very much if Don or someone else could answer
two questions that are troubling me.

I've read the press release and Don's site (including every single link),
several times over the last couple of months and the questions are:

1. Am I reading this wrong, or is Don suggesting that the cause for
ALL the deaths is contamination with acetaminophen?

2. Is he suggesting that a cover-up conspiracy exists at all levels of this?

I would simply like some clarification.

Thanks,

Mike
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E. Hamilton
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2007, 08:00:53 AM »

Here is a handy troll repellent I use.

http://users.wolfcrews.com/toys/vikings/


I hope every single troll has nightmares about armed kittens , for years!



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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2007, 08:23:14 AM »

 Looks like they are headed towards Menu.   Grin
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Eventually they will understand,
Replied the glorious cat
For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2007, 01:01:05 PM »

Mr. Earl,

I asked you two simple questions. You still haven't answered. Are you always this rude, or
are you just having a bad day? Everyone has a bad day, so I'll assume that is the problem.

I am not a troll for anyone, except our companion animals. I'll match my record of effort against
anyone's. I don't post often, and I'm not in this for my ego. But I don't really respond well
to people who lower themselves to name-calling.

My questions were sincere. I truly hoped that I had misread your reports. And how was your
information mischaracterized? Please explain.

If your response was indicative of the way you deal with people, then don't bother
responding. I'm better off not understanding your position, as much as I really would like to.

Mike
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Nabiya
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2007, 07:02:47 AM »

Mike
If it looks like a troll, makes noises like a troll and smells like a troll, I'll probably go on calling it a troll, even if the troll would prefer to be called something else. If you are shamed or embarassed by being caught out, that belongs to you - not to those making the observation.

Trolls tend to start out claiming a state of being both well informed and totally ignorant of the information being discussed. On the first round, that might be written off as simple stupidity. The acid test is that when called on the obvious contradiction, they display a level of cunning completely at odds with the simple stupidity explanation.

At the risk of being "rude", may I suggest you try your luck at stand up. The whole troll thing doesn't seem to be working out.

Don, I visited every page on Mike's website www.defendourpets.org and I don't see how he could possibly be a troll.  He is not biased against any one food nor is he promoting any one food.  Mike is the founder of this organization.  His website is exemplary for the amount of information it contains covering all aspects of the pet food recall and then some.  It appears as though he is promoting education and responsiveness of pet owners rather than a personal cause or lawsuit. 

What specifically makes you think he's a troll, and what specifically do you think he's promoting through his site?  Since you felt the need to make those remarks about Mike, I think you owe us more of an explanation as to how you reached that conclusion as it regards Mike and not just your definition of a troll.

I think your last comment is very rude unless you can further substantiate that Mike is indeed a troll with a hidden agenda.  Can you please respond with specifics and preferrably with quotes from Mike's website that would lead one to conclude that he's a troll?
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2007, 11:42:59 AM »

 Grin

Newman's Own
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Eventually they will understand,
Replied the glorious cat
For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
Poem for Cats, author unknown

"A kitten in the animal kingdom is like a rosebud in a garden", author unknown
Nabiya
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2007, 07:22:14 AM »

His website is exemplary for the amount of information it contains covering all aspects of the pet food recall and then some.  It appears as though he is promoting education and responsiveness of pet owners rather than a personal cause or lawsuit. 

After a quick glance, all I see is a focus on China, and the kind of letter writing campaigns to Congress critters that I have yet to see be effective on ANY issue. Who would most benefit from a focus on blame shifting to China and a stand down on any meaningful legal action?

With all due respect, it is not those of us who own pets. The food responsible for the deaths of several hundred thousand pets was made in the US and Canada, all with a nod and a wink from the FDA.

The moment you lose sight of that fact, you may as well start sending donations to the Pet Food Institute.
Don, With all due respect, after a quick glance?  Why can't you review his website in it's entirety before you condemn the man to being a troll?  His Get Involved section lists the major retailers and the politicans with sample letters and email addresses, petition, survey, and volunteer as options, it's not just letter writing to congress.  Your Get Active section tells us to get the word out, but nothing more.

I don't understand your comment, who would most benefit from a focus on blame shifting to China?  Exactly who or what company or what pet food would benefit? 

Do you really think we've lost several hundred thousand pets?  This is 300,000 or more pets died?  How did you arrive at that figure and how do you substantiate it?

Why do you feel the blame needs to be put on the US companies and not China, when in reality it's both?
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