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Author Topic: Pet Food Recall - It could have been prevented. One pet owner's opinion.  (Read 836 times)
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« on: July 15, 2007, 06:53:40 AM »

This entire pet food scandal could have been avoided by the pet food industry.

That is my opinion. Why?

That pet you buried would never have died from melamine, cyanuric acid or some unknown toxin due to the greed behind falsely boosting the nitrogen for profit.  You wouldn't be struggling with tears caring for your sick pets and worried over the long term effects of this horrific scandal.

No? Absolutely, YES.

It would never have happened if the Pet Food Industry had followed in the footsteps of the Dairy Industry in 2000. Our U.S. Dairy Industry figured that out in 2000- that testing methods needed to be changed.

This means if the pet food industry cared about protein content, usable protein and the prices, they could have recognized this and prevented this whole melamine NPN issue from ever happening. They'd have also caught on to why it was so cheap to buy the ingredients in the first place.

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http://www.holsteinusa.com/html/trueweb.html
The new Federal Milk Marketing Orders, which went into effect January 1, 2000, pay for protein on a true-protein scale instead of the crude-protein scale that had been used previously in many parts of the country. The change was made because true protein is more accurately measured in the lab and is more reflective of the nutritional and manufacturing value of milk....While this change does not affect the price you receive for your milk (unless you have unusually high or low levels of non-protein nitrogen in your milk), it does affect the protein level that you see with your milk payment.

If the Dairy Industry could do in 2000, there is no reason the Pet Food Industry could not have done it. After all, they are responsible for the nutritional value of the pet foods and the safety of those foods. They are supposed to know the nutritional value of the pet foods.

Here, I believe, their lie has been exposed.

I firmly believe that the pet food industry has no idea how much of the protein in the pet foods is actually providing nutrition to your pets.

How could it have been prevented? By changing the methods used to test for protein.  If those methods were changed, we would be able to actually know the true amount of nutritional protein we are feeding our animals.

In a Washington Post article, Robert Poppenga and David Brown had a discussion which included Poppenga stating "Many "official" analytical methods are antiquated and there needs to be a streamlined process for validating new methods and making them widely available."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/05/04/DI2007050401776.html?hpid=discussions

A bit of explanation here. When the issues were being postulated about the source of the problems, it became very evident that the motivation was for profit. As we went further into the research, we saw that NPN, non protein nitrogen boosting for profit was for many years the practice in the Dairy Industry, not only in China with the baby formula scandal but here in the United States.

That meant that Milk may have had a lot of protein in it, however, it did not have the nutritional value one would associate with the protein levels.

They were "fake" proteins - crude proteins- that gave us the illusion the higher the protein the better the quality. Therefore, the higher the price paid to the dairy farmer for the milk. 

We were feeding our animals foods with false protein. I am going to argue that we still are.

We have no statistics on the true protein amounts in our pet foods.  We see "protein 50%". Wow, good! Some of us even worry if it is too high for our particular animals needs.

Hold on now, that is a programmed response from advertising. We are like trained seals applauding the label percentages following the creed of whoever wants us to believe it is all real and good and nutritious.

How much of that advertised protein 50% provides nutrition to your pet?  50%?  I would venture to guess the amount is much lower than that. 

Call your pet food company and ask them how much of the protein advertised on the label or on their website is "True Protein"?

Call your pet food company and ask them "How much of the protein content advertised as being in your pet food has true nutritional value to the pets?"

Don't let them tell you the same number on the label. It most likely would be myth- A well versed, hidden fact.

It is a myth that is beginning to be exposed.

Part of my anger about the whole issue of boosting protein levels for profit without regard to nutrition has been very well written today in the Scientific American Article by Alison Snyder "Protein Pretense":

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Protein Pretense
Cheating the standard protein tests is easy, but industry hesitates on alternatives.. July 15 2007 Scientific American.com Alison Snyder


http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=ACB480D7-E7F2-99DF-386D411734605ECC

After hundreds of dogs and cats fell ill this past spring, government officials traced the source to melamine, a nitrogen-rich compound found in plastics and fertilizer that, when ingested by the animals, crystallized in their kidneys and caused renal failure. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration later announced that producers may have deliberately added the compound to wheat gluten and rice protein concentrates to inflate the measured amount of protein. The greater the protein level in the concentrates, the higher the market price the products fetch. Regardless of whether its addition was deliberate or accidental, mela­mine snuck past standard industry protein analysis, suggesting that the century-old test methods should be reevaluated. Several alternatives exist, but the food industry has yet to make a switch.

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Thus far pet food makers and other processors have not decided whether to adopt new methods. “We’re in the process of building a feed safety protocol,” says Ron Salter, a vice president at feed distribution company Wilbur-Ellis in San Francisco. He adds that the company will be looking into feed sampling and testing procedures. In the meantime, nitrogen-based methods will likely remain top dog among protein-testing techniques.

Please, take the time to look with eyes & mind wide open and research what led up to the development of the pet food scandal and how it could have been prevented by the pet food industry. We need to get "in front" of the problem, not dance around in frustration shutting the door on imports and scapegoating China while they keep letting these myths survive and sit back in boardrooms claiming victim to greed of those Chinese merchants. 

It was the greed of the Pet Food industry that allowed the scandal.  It still is. They need to change their protein testing methods. They need to advertise the true nutritional value of the pet foods, not their measurements of fake nutrition.
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2007, 12:09:15 PM »

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Good post.

I read today on petconnection that the method for testing protein levels is over a hundred years old. That is absolute BS, with all the modern technology they use a test that dates back to the 19th century, OR MAYBE they knew about the artificially boosted protein levels and that is why they used the antiquated test??

In any case YES this could have been prevented, it should have been prevented and until we hit them in the pocketbook it will continue.

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2007, 01:12:58 PM »

Right, that link above is the one I sent them.

In the 90's the EPA raised the bar on the amount of melamine allowed in food products.

So, it is a safe bet that everybody was aware of boosting proteins with NPN.

Fortunately for us, the dairy industry did see fit to do something about it, even if the reasons they did might have had nothing to do with the consumer  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2007, 01:23:24 PM »

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So, it is a safe bet that everybody was aware of boosting proteins with NPN.

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From research over the last months, I learned that urea has been used for over 30 years for ruminant animal feed (cows, sheep) but not in monogastric animals. Then the practice of adding NPN (first urea, then melamine) to feed for ruminants started. Then NPN for boosting 'protein' levels in grains.

So don't let anyone tell you this hasn't been a long time practice, it goes back for at least 30 years that I can find.

The thing here is that is isn't spoken about openly, you know like everyone does it but we don't talk about it, you know the 'plausible deniability' thing.

I am sure that is why the fda raised the levels some years ago, they never thought this would happen.

Interestingly though, melamine by ITSELF is not particularly toxic, it shouldn't be in food but it shouldn't have been lethal either.

The mystery still has not been solved. There have been no definitive answers that satisfy me, has anyone else ever felt that the mystery has been explained, why supposedly not toxic chemicals became toxic??
What is being held back?

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2007, 02:05:30 PM »

Interestingly though, melamine by ITSELF is not particularly toxic, it shouldn't be in food but it shouldn't have been lethal either.

The mystery still has not been solved. There have been no definitive answers that satisfy me, has anyone else ever felt that the mystery has been explained, why supposedly not toxic chemicals became toxic??
What is being held back?

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I've been doing some research on that. Aminopterin. Acetaminophen. Melamine. Cyanuric Acid.  One thing they all seem have in common? Pesticide/Herbicide ingredients, from what I've seen so far. 

We've already got a toxic cocktail. That means that amino acid chains are formed or broken by other things already existing in substances before they are added. 

Transformations, if you will, occur. The added ingredient is transformed into something else by a substance already present in the mixture and vice versa. For instance, acetaminophen in waste water is transformed into 11 other substances by clorination, 2 of which are highly toxic. Or if you look at Cyanuric acid and see Atrizine, Atrazine and follow them...

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Cyanuric Acid - Species with the same structure: s-Triazine-2,4,6-triol
Other names: s-Triazine-2,4,6(1H,3H,5H)-trione; s-Triazine-2,4,6-triol; s-Triazinetriol; Cyanuric acid; Isocyanuric acid; Pseudocyanuric acid; Tricyanic acid; Trihydroxycyanidine; 2,4,6-Trihydroxy-1,3,5-triazine; 1,3,5-Triazine-2,4,6-(1H,3H,5H)triol; s-2,4,6-Triazinetriol; sym-Triazinetriol; Kyselina kyanurova; 2,4,6-Trihydroxytriazine; ,4,6-Trihydroxy-S-triazine; ,4,6-Trioxohexahydro-1,3,5-triazine; -Azabarbituric acid; 1,3,5-Triazine-2,4,6-triol; 2,4,6-Triazinetrione; Cyanuric acid, anhydride; Isocyanurate acid; s-Triazine-2,4,6-trione; s-Triazinetrione; Tricarbimide; Tricyanide; Zeonet A

Then follow the "other names" from the above quote to here:

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http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/r?dbs+hsdb:@term+@rn+108-80-5

B)  Ingestion of an herbicide containing atrazine,
         aminotriazole, ethylene glycol and formaldehyde has
         been associated with coma, circulatory collapse,
         hepatic necrosis, renal failure and disseminated
         intravascular coagulation.
C)  When fed to sheep and cattle at high dosage, atrazine
         caused anorexia, salivation, depression of activity,
         muscle spasms and fasciculations, ataxia, increased
         body temperature and dyspnea.

Then go check the state of affairs in our water:

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Studying the Fate of Drugs in Wastewater

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2005_1222.htm

Acetaminophen is the most widely used pain reliever in the United States, and a study of 139 streams by the U.S. Geological Survey found that it was one of the most frequently detected man-made chemicals....“Transformation of Acetaminophen by Chlorination Produces the Toxicants 1,4-Benzoquinone and N-Acetyl-p-benzoquinone Imine” 

Did you know that in the CAS family of Aminopterin there is a pigment?
Did you know that cyanuric acid was a component of household products like bleach?
Did you know that the structure of aminopterin is close to that of folic acid?

I didn't LOL.

I have convinced myself that "the swimming pool" cyanuric acid is a lovely "fairy tale of fact" designed specifically for distraction. I have convinced myself that the "melamine is used in fertilizers" is a lovely "fairy tale of fact" designed specifically for distraction.

I have half-way convinced myself that I will probably never know the truth about all this in my lifetime. Maybe some of you may. I sincerely hope so.

Right now, it appears a renegade (brave enough to be transparent) toxicologist/scientist/chemist needs to focus and be a whistleblower on this whole tragedy... anybody know where one can be found?
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2007, 02:25:10 PM »

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One thing they all seem have in common? Pesticide/Herbicide ingredients,

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Same thing I found, when one starts to look at cross reference all these chemicals keep coming up for use in herbicide. So could this have been what the chinese were using on their rice/wheat and it got transferred into the grains and then into the additives, with a little extra 'salvaged melamine' thrown in for good measure?

This is what I keep saying, that the melamine 'fairy tale' is not toxic enough to have caused the damage by itself, even with the addition of cyanuric acid, still not lethal enough. There must be more going on.

Gee could this be a coverup?? Not here we don't have any coverups, never had them never will. NO aliens in rozwell, lone shooter for jfk, no illegal tapping of phones, and the list goes on.

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2007, 02:44:15 PM »

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Same thing I found, when one starts to look at cross reference all these chemicals keep coming up for use in herbicide. So could this have been what the chinese were using on their rice/wheat and it got transferred into the grains and then into the additives, with a little extra 'salvaged melamine' thrown in for good measure?

Yup, but I don't think that limiting it to the Chinese, or in fact excluding the US, and not considering other "came froms" Smiley would be prudent. There are 4 countries in pretty close running for import issues in OASIS - China, Dominican Republic, India, Mexico. ....But if you're just starting at alphabetical order  Grin


P.S. Since PAtkins posted in the Innova thread about "We also asked Midwest Laboratories to test the vitamin premix that was used in its production. " http://itchmoforums.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1099;sa=showPosts

And, you consider the vitamin premix into the grain issues and the fact of importing vitamins, you've expanded the basis of ingredients for possible adulteration (intentional) and contamination (maybe unintended consequences).

If he hadn't posted that I wouldn't have jumped from amino acids in the FDA import holds to the vitamin premixes so fast. But I did thanks to his post Smiley And the first contaminant named but allegedly unconfirmed by the NY Lab was Aminopterin, in the same CAS family (structure) as Folic Acid... go figure, huh?

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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2007, 02:51:32 PM »

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Yup, but I don't think that limiting it to the Chinese, or in fact excluding the US,

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And yet another reason for a coverup Undecided

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2007, 02:59:27 PM »

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Yup, but I don't think that limiting it to the Chinese, or in fact excluding the US,

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And yet another reason for a coverup Undecided

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